Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILERS « Thread Started on May 8, 2006, 5:03pm »
A friend of mine and I are currently in a debate over the latest book in the New Prophecy series, Twilight.
In the very back, in the brief synopsis of the upcoming book, there is mention that a beloved cat is going to die.
My friend (who just might be joining the site here) believes, due to some "hinting text" in the beginning of Twilight, that Firestar will be the one to die. She claims there are hints in the beginning of the story, but I either missed them or she's delusional (probably the latter).
I think Cinderpelt will die. Leafpool was just made into a full medicine cat, so technically Thunderclan now has two of those. It only makes sense that Cinderpelt would die, what with her twisted leg, her little role in the books now, and Leafpool's own readiness and closeness to Starclan.
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #1 on May 8, 2006, 6:45pm »
*INHALE!*
It's not going to be Firestar. 1) He has too many lives left. 2) The next two series which is being thought around (check Wikipedia.org) are formed around Firestar and his 'travels'. Don't ask, I don't really know.
Hm. Cinderpelt could die, but I think it would either be Brambleclaw or Squirrelflight (EWNAME). I couldn't exactly explain in words why Cinderpelt wouldn't be the one to die... Eh, I need to do more reading up on Wikipeida.
Brambleclaw would be a prime candidate, seeing as most of his clan doesn't trust him, and his father was Tigerstar. Hawkfrost may also die, but I doubt it. Brambleclaw, as the hints in Starlight start to arise, is a little ambitious like his father; though he doesn't want to believe it.
Here's some info straight from Wikipedia:
Quote:
As the Clans adjust to the perils of their new home, Leafpool and Squirrelflight face difficult choices. One is torn between loyalty to her calling and a forbidden love, while the other struggles with her best friend's betrayal and her growing mistrust of him. Meanwhile, in the shadows, a terrible and unexpected enemy is lurking, planning vengeance...and for one beloved cat, the end is coming too soon. Twilight is expected to come out on September 1, 2006 on Amazon.com, and August 22, 2006 in Barnes and Noble. Graystripe's returning to the Clans in Twilight is said to be confirmed. :)
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #2 on May 9, 2006, 8:14am »
Well, when it says One is torn between loyalty to her calling and a forbidden love, you kind of think of Leafpool. (Well, I do anyway.) She is a medicine cat, yet she is falling for Crowfeather.
While the other struggles with her best friend's betrayal and her growing mistrust of him seemingly revovles around Squirrelflight. (I really don't like her name either...) Brambleclaw had grown close to her on the journey and now that he is spending time with Hawkfrost, that trust is being lost...
But the death of a loved one? No one really comes to my mind. ^^;; Heh heh...
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #3 on May 9, 2006, 9:37am »
-Nodnod- I agree, that pretty much hits the nail on the head Appleheart. But I still think Brambleclaw is going to die.
I don't think Cinderpelt will, because her roll in the books is kind of, falling, and she's not exactly as loved as she once was. The Clan's attention has fallen over other cats instead, so she's kind of, not there as often. Though...I guess Solarstar has a point about Leafpool taking her place and all.
Still think it's going to be Brambleclaw! Because with Graystripe coming back, he won't get the position of deputy, and all. So he's just kind of, got nothing left to look forward to. He could kill himself, even...
Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #4 on May 9, 2006, 9:47am »
The cats you described, Appleheart, are indeed Leafpool and Squirrelflight. It's easy to see that. ^^ Leafpool and Crowfeather, Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw...
I think that Brambleclaw is way too much of a focus character to die, seeing as how most of the New Prophecy series is from his point of view, or around there.
Cinderpelt isn't a big focus, but she's pretty much liked by everyone and loved by her Clan (including Firestar, her once-mentor), so I think it'll be her.
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #7 on May 9, 2006, 9:55am »
I'll bet! Hm. I'll bet, Abduction. We've got a few good months to wait, seeing as Twilight doesn't come out until August. x]
Brambleclaw won't play too much of a part once Graystripe comes back, and he is coming back, it was confirmed in an interview with Kate I believe. He'll be just as good as any other warrior.
Nope, I'm in school too. xP About ten minutes left in class before I have to go though. Dx
Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #8 on May 9, 2006, 11:10am »
I think Brambleclaw will play a part, whether he's deputy or not. He's still got that little soap opera with Squirrelflight, not to mention the weird sibling connection with Hawkfrost. That stuff is enough to keep Brambleclaw around.
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #10 on May 9, 2006, 1:41pm »
Meep! I've had an idea.
That cat that will die: Graystripe
It says he will return, right? Maybe he will, he'll find the clans, but something happens to him. I personally, like Graystripe better that Firestar.... and I do think Graystipe has a pretty good change at being the 'loved one to die'
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #11 on May 9, 2006, 2:50pm »
O: You do have a point. But what would be the point in bringing him back just to have him die? OR! Maybe, he comes back, dies, and Brambleclaw does get position of deputy after all?
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) « Reply #12 on May 9, 2006, 3:59pm »
What about Sandstorm? It's a possiblity that she could die. I mean, sure she's Firestar's mate and Leafpool and Squirrelflight's mother, but doesn't that make her a good canidate?
That was sort of random right there, but I read this fanfiction and Birchkit accidently killed Sandstorm while he was playing and it just keeps nagging at the back of my mind, though I'm sure that she wouldn't die that way...
Just a thought. And Firestar seems REALLY cool in this series...
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #16 on May 10, 2006, 2:54pm »
Firestar has too many lives left to die, unless something terribly awful happened and he was like...eaten by a bear.
I still think it's going to be Brambleclaw that dies. Him or Graystripe, though I don't know why they would bring him back just to kill him. Unless, yeah, it is for Brambleclaw's benefit.
Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #19 on May 11, 2006, 9:39am »
Oooh, I never thought about Crowfeather. o.o
And I see the bear on the cover, even though it's amusing that the picture depicts a bear coming and the cats are all calm and lovey-dovey to each other. XD At least those two are in the top right-hand corner.
But oooh...Crowfeather's death makes even more sense than Cinderpelt's.
...off topic, I think Zebrawhisp needs to post in Ottersong's board. -sigh-
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #20 on May 11, 2006, 9:52am »
There are just so many options...
I mean, Cinderpelt could easily retire to the elder's den couldn't she? Now that ThunderClan has two medicine cats, she could retire, right? I mean, medicine cats can do that...right? If not, then maybe it's Leafpool who dies?
We should make a list of cats we assume could die, but rule out those that we know will not.
It needs to be a cat that has a big part in the series. Someone that all the cats, and Clans, know. Somone who's done a lot to be loved. Probably a cat in a high position, possibly a senior warrior or deputy. It can't be one of the Clan leaders, unless they're eaten by a bear, or something totally awful happens; like with Tigerstar.
I also doubt a medicine cat will die, the other Clan's medicine cats don't play that big of a roll, aside from Mothwing. The other Clan deputies don't play big roles, either. Mistyfoot, maybe, but her death won't be too big of a deal.
I think we can safely assume that the cat to die will be in ThunderClan? Or Crowfeather? (He is the one in the center of the cover, right?)
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #21 on May 11, 2006, 1:24pm »
By the way, I don't think Brambleclaw will go evil all that soon. Remeber the part from Starlight where Yellowfang said: "I see a cat striving for power, power that is not deserved." or something like that. Then, Crookedstar denied that, so it'll probably Hawkfrost becomes evil before Brambleclaw is likley to join him.
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #22 on May 11, 2006, 2:52pm »
I strongly doubt that it's Hawkfrost. He doesn't show signs of hate/ambition as much as Brambleclaw does. Though he was a little angry at Mistyfoot, for coming back and taking over as deputy again, he just wants the best for his Clan. I don't think he would become 'evil', and I don't think he would put his Clan under any kind of pressure as to becoming trecherous...etc. However, Brambleclaw shows signs of greed, selfishness, much like Tigerstar. I think Hawksong takes after Sasha more, and Brambleclaw, Tigerstar.
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #23 on May 11, 2006, 2:53pm »
Well... I wasn't exactly so strongly on Hawkfrost... but I think it is probably a RiverClan cat, becuase I don't think Crookedstar would react so strongly otherwise
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #24 on May 11, 2006, 2:57pm »
Hawkfrost may have shared his thoughts with Crookedstar, as to Brambleclaw's feelings. After all, they are brothers, and Hawkfrost would (should) have a resembling trait like Leafpool and Squirrelflight have, which enables them to share feelings/emotions. Anyway, Hawkfrost would show more loyalty to his Clan than to his kin, as it is the code. He would share ThunderClan's weakness, if it applied to Brambleclaw's thoughts on ambition and tretchery. Ew, my spelling is off, not using spell check.
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #25 on May 11, 2006, 3:15pm »
:P Yeah, Brambleclaw does take after Tigerstar a lot. I mean, it kinda creep me out when he started getting "power-hungry" for the deputy spot, you know? I mean, in the first three (?) books, he seems calm and wants nothing to do with the deputy position, but a little bit before and after the dream with Tigerstar, he starts to want it...Really bad.
And Mothwing? No offense to her or anything, but she really doesn't seem fit to be a Medicine Cat. I mean, at times she forgets what herbs are needed and then giving the Elders and other cats that tainted water? I mean, Leafpool noticed it, so why didn't she??
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #26 on May 11, 2006, 3:19pm »
I don't really like her all that much... she doesn't seem like one who would bring harm to a clan, she just doesn't "know anything". After all, she was made a medicine cat a little too early, and I wouldn't have expected her to notice anything. Then again...you do have a point. But I just can't see her bringing harm to anyone on purpose, she was chosen by StarClan to be a medicine cat, I mean, they would have been able to see something awful and not given the sign, right?
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #27 on May 11, 2006, 3:28pm »
True, there was a sign, and even though Mothwing didn't purposely try to poison the others, she still doesn't seem to be fit for the job all that well. There's still the fact that she doesn't really think that the Warrior Code refers to Medicine Cats, which could cause problems, if they haven't already.
Hmm...I <3 Crowfeather...I don't want him to die... 3; -Cheerparty- Yay! I found Amethystflower's bio! Now, all I have to do is put up her application.
Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #28 on May 11, 2006, 6:35pm »
Well, Mothing wing didn't necessarily get a sign from Starclan; why would Starclan choose a medicine cat that doesn't believe in them? And remember when Leafpool and Mothwing were talking, Mothwing mentioned how no one would think her a true medicine cat. Leafpool reminded her of the sign, and Mothwing got nervous and was all like, "Yeah, about that..."
The first thing I thought was that Hawkfrost had put the moth wing there, or Mudfur himself. Mothwing seemed rather nervous when Leafpool mentioned it.
And I don't see Brambleclaw as being as ambitious as Hawkfrost. Hawkfrost was more than a little upset when Mistyfoot came back; he was still trying to give orders, and he argued whenever Mistyfoot gave one he didn't like. Heck, he argued with just about every order she gave. Hawkfrost was openly friendly to Tigerstar in his dream, and Brambleclaw was kind of like, "....er..." Brambleclaw knows that his father was evil, and he hates to think that Firestar or other Clan cats seem him like that. I highly doubt that the Riverclan cats, who also knew of Tigerstar's evil-ness, would keep hush about it. Hawkfrost had to of heard about it.
Hawkfrost was always boasting about how Riverclan would only steal the territories of the Clans that moved away from the destruction, and how his Clan needed everything. He may not step outside the lines like Tigerstar, but he's just as ambitious, I think. I also think Brambleclaw is only iffy on him (and he's still iffy) because Hawkfrost is being nice and open now. They are half-brothers, after all.
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Re: Death of a Loved One (New Prophecy: 4) SPOILER « Reply #29 on May 12, 2006, 8:20am »
True, true. She doesn't really know any of the herbs, or really anything that a medicine cat should know. But, she was made a full medicine cat way too early, too. And because of that, what would she be able to do to the other cats? If she tried to give them Death Berries, any cat (aside from probably a kit or young apprentice) would know what they were.
Well, StarClan chose Rusty/Firepaw. -Nod- And he didn't know about them. Or believe in them at the time.
Hawkfrost wasn't keen on giving up his position as deputy, because he thought he knew what was best for his clan. He's always wanted what was best, and he thinks that he can give that to them. I think Hawkfrost was 'openly friendly', because Tigerstar was his father. But Brambleclaw is too eager to show his clan that he isn't like his father, so he would want to shut Tigerstar out. But, RiverClan was rather 'nice' (for lack of a better word) to TigerClaw, and Hawkfrost has no reason to reject his father, because Tigerstar didn't do anything to RiverClan.
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